so as to make the economy more vibrant and society more just. and this was a tough treatment which, by the way, i think is not over. >> rose: for italy? >> for italy, yes. >> rose: the focus today is, obviously, on spain. >> yes. >> rose: what's going to happen? >> spain is doing very deep and serious things in terms of budgetary control, and in terms of statutory reforms. i think spain is decidedly on the right path. and we'l will come out of it. and will come out ey-- i mean ce out of the risky zone. and you see italy, spain, it's important to look at each of our countries individually, and it is also important to see clearly that we are all part and parcel of a wider thing call the euro zone and the european union. and it's not enough-- it is imperative, but it's not enough that each of our countries puts its own house in order. we also need to have a better governance of the whole, not only of the parts. and this is happening month after month because the european union as a whole is improving, is now more aware than it was one year ago, say